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Like a spruiker from Clive Palmer’s United Australia Party shoving how-to-vote flyers in your face on election day, Shane Flanagan is pushing hard to become the next coach of the Bulldogs.

So hard it won’t surprise if it costs him the job.

He reached out to the club a week after Trent Barrett’s departure and in recent days has pitched up on 2GB and Fox Sports — the two media outlets for whom he’s worked since the NRL deregistered him four years ago.
Flanagan told a Fox Sports podcast on Tuesday: “I’m sure Gus or whoever is in charge of that responsibility, if they’re interested, come and give me a ring over the next couple of weeks, we’ll go from there, but at the moment I’ll just sit back.”

You there, Gus? Something? Helloooooo?

If they’re to engage with him, the Bulldogs general manager Phil Gould and the club’s board will need to be sure they can trust Flanagan, who has been more than prepared to extol his own virtues but is still haunted by his past mistakes.

Indeed, the way some have airbrushed over his past indiscretions which had seen him twice suspended from the NRL as he agitates for the Bulldogs job has been quite remarkable.
It would be nice to know if Flanagan, after all these years, takes any responsibility as head coach for what happened at Cronulla in 2011 when controversial sports scientist Stephen Dank was allowed to administer players with banned substances.

It would be nice to know if Flanagan has learned anything from his four-year exile after the NRL discovered he breached the conditions of his year-long suspension in 2014 for failing in his “duty of care” to his players.

Meanwhile, as Flanagan eyes a possible return to coaching, the other prominent coach at the centre of the “darkest day in Australian sport” is considering his own tale of redemption.

Former Essendon coach James Hird joined GWS Giants as a “leadership consultant” in January but now finds himself on the coaching staff after head coach Leon Cameron resigned earlier this month.

It’s unlikely the struggling Western Sydney franchise will appoint Hird as its senior coach, especially with four-time premiership winner Alastair Clarkson on the market, but there’s little doubt he wants back in, as confirmed by his former Bombers mentor, Kevin Sheedy, in a recent interview.

Should Hird be afforded a second chance? Should Flanagan be afforded a third?

Some maintain neither man should be allowed anywhere near a group of young athletes ever again, such was the impact of the drug saga that occurred while they were head coaches of their respective clubs and playing groups.
Yet both the AFL and NRL insist they’ve done their time, ticked all the right boxes and can’t, let alone won’t, stand in their way.
Perhaps the relevant question is whether an AFL or NRL club would be interested to take on a coach carrying so much baggage.

In Hird’s case, there’s a belief he wasn’t a particularly great coach anyway. He returned to Essendon from his year-long ban but resigned at the end of 2015 with a winning percentage of 48 per cent.

Flanagan, however, won a premiership at the Sharks in 2016, their first in 50 years of existence. Success has many fathers but he deserves a large slice of the credit.
The Bulldogs need more than just a hard-headed coach prepared to make tough decisions. They need someone who can work hand-in-glove with Gould.
People join the dots and say the two men are represented by the same person — veteran agent Wayne Beavis — but so was Anthony Griffin. How did that work out?
Flanagan’s son, Kyle, is an issue, as it often is when a father is coaching his son. He told 2GB on Saturday he would be strong enough to drop him if he felt it was best for the team but not everyone at Belmore is convinced.

He gave unsolicited advice to Barrett last year about how to play his son, just as he tried to give advice to Trent Robinson at the Roosters the year before that.
If he was appointed coach, could the Bulldogs trust Flanagan to dispassionately drop Kyle if the time came? What if Gould didn’t want to renew his contract? What if he found a better halfback?

Flanagan says he could work with Gould, but he’s shown before he has issues with authority.

When he returned to the game in 2015, NRL officials suggested he address his peers at a pre-season coach’s meeting. It was a chance to tell the other coaches what he’d learned, what he’d got wrong, how they could avoid the same grave error of letting mysterious high-performance types wielding syringes full of unknown substances into their club.

Flanagan didn’t see the point but eventually got up, grumbled a few words and sat down. No contrition was shown for the damage the supplements scandal had done to the game. It went down like a bad prawn with his fellow coaches.

Then, in 2018, after Sharks chief executive Barry Russell self-reported possible salary-cap breaches, the NRL ordered a forensic audit of the club’s books.
In doing so, it discovered Flanagan had defied the rules of his 2014 ban by negotiating contracts with players.

The smoking gun was a series of emails sent from his Sharks email address to his private one — that old trick! — but what isn’t commonly known is how the integrity unit also discovered Flanagan cheating on his homework.

One of the conditions of his return was completion of a compliance and ethics course. The audit discovered Flanagan had asked others to do the essays for him. When challenged by NRL investigators, he thought nothing of it.

When contacted on Thursday, Flanagan strongly denied this, insisting “all the work was my own”.

Flanagan deserves his chance again. It might even be at the Bulldogs, although you sense they would’ve talked to him by now if they were interested.
But if this one-man election campaign is to continue, he should stop telling us what he’s done — and start telling us how he’s changed.
(For the record, Flanagan has rejected repeated interview requests from this column for over two months, saying he didn’t want to be seen to be pitching up for a job).
 

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Only sharing this one because I think most of it is nonsense... I mean his past of course is fine to talk about, but this whole narrative around him tarnishing himself because he's expressing his interest publicly is absolute rubbish.. To me that just says the bloke is keen and ready to get back in the hot seat... and there's also the fact that he's been talking about it because he's been asked about it... He's known Gus for a long time and knows that it's unlikely any interviews will take place and somebody will just be offered the role.
 
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Unless he's murdered someone, I really couldn't care less about his past.

The only thing I care about, is can he get the team firing!
 

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Unless he's murdered someone, I really couldn't care less about his past.

The only thing I care about, is can he get the team firing!

Yeah, I mean it's the NRL lol you can't support any team without having either a player or somebody in the coaching staff who has done something questionable in their past, but we're all human.

That's right.. Some people seem to think Fittler might get the job, and Andrew Johns made an interesting comment about how despite the fact Freddy has made certain comments that would say differently, he hasn't said no.

It's going to be interesting to see what happens but I get the sense we'll have not only a new coach soon but new recruits announced.
 

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Yeah, I mean it's the NRL lol you can't support any team without having either a player or somebody in the coaching staff who has done something questionable in their past, but we're all human.

That's right.. Some people seem to think Fittler might get the job, and Andrew Johns made an interesting comment about how despite the fact Freddy has made certain comments that would say differently, he hasn't said no.

It's going to be interesting to see what happens but I get the sense we'll have not only a new coach soon but new recruits announced.
I think you are right but are we not already on the top of the salary cap?
 

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I think you are right but are we not already on the top of the salary cap?

I'm not sure to be honest but I know they're letting Hetherington talk to other clubs and i've heard rumours of a potential Thompson swap. The next few weeks should be interesting anyway.
 

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I'm not sure to be honest but I know they're letting Hetherington talk to other clubs and i've heard rumours of a potential Thompson swap. The next few weeks should be interesting anyway.
Well in my opinion Thompson has not produced the goods he was supposed to have like when he was in the UK
 

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Well in my opinion Thompson has not produced the goods he was supposed to have like when he was in the UK

I think that's partly because he's not playing in his natural role.. from what I've gathered he was an edge forward right? If he wasn't on so much it wouldn't be a problem.
 

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just watching the reserve grade game live and its Dragons 40 dogs 12 with still 11 mins to go and it explains a lot of the culture coaching in the club . same old same as first grade silly penalties against us no go forward slow play the balls cant get off our own line its like watching a repeat of first grade and so help me why oh why did they sign okunbor until the end of 2023 when he cant defend or catch a ball gave at least 3 tries to saints today. Oh they will say but he scored a try big deal look at the score Personally he is not even reserve grade standard. now with one saints man in the sin bin for 10 mins we still cant score again its pathetic .
 

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breaking news pangai junior ruled out with back spasms thats us screwed in first grade now we cant win a chook raffle
 

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Josh Addo Carr looks like he's lost his Origin spot.

We need some good news re new coach pronto!
 

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What sort of bullshit refreee have we got today 3 sets of play the balls on our line given twice and saints score 12 points. there has to be an enquiry on this two faced cheating ref who obviously has his money somewhere else
 

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If I was Gould i would cop a fine for letting the NRL know in uncertain terms that this referee always has us on the wrong end of penalties and 6 more. you can beat 14 players on the field.
 

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Bird should have been binned at the end for a professional foul. Highly doubt we would have stolen it but still.
 
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